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Confronting PETA on BSL

Here’s some further observations that I wanted to quickly address…

@1:55 Total fear-mongering.

@2:26 I love Erika’s followup question here, and Lisa Lange has nothing to say besides looking around for a bailout.

@2:52 Mandatory spay and neuter for certain types of dogs is only 1 facet of breed-discriminatory legislation. To most people it is the lowest on the totem pole in regards to what is intolerable about BSL. I’d disagree, and argue that mandatory sterilization laws targeting specific breeds or types is a long-game way of working around the current laws out there that prohibit the outright banning or singling out of those breeds or types. But Lisa knows full well that BSL is not just mandatory spay and neuter. Yet she rambles on and on and on about it without addressing the portions of BSL that outright ban breeds and types. Bans them simply based around the subjective visual decision of some chosen animal control god. She knows that there is no science behind this. She knows that it’s discrimination based around how a dog looks, having nothing to do with behavior. She knows that it perpetuates the negative stereotypes and myths, blanketly throwing millions of dogs under the bus. She knows that it leads to the relinquishment of animals in mass, and thus their killing in mass. She knows what BSL is, and knows that PETA supports all facets of it, yet just continues addressing spay and neuter while denying all else.

@3:55 If by when you say “reducing populations” you mean of certain types of dogs, after you ban and then kill them all, then potentially yes. As far as mandatory spay and neuter laws actually reducing the number of animals being killed in shelters, that is false. City after city where these laws have been put into place shows that they actually raise shelter intake numbers, and thus shelter kill numbers. PETA doesn’t care about how many animals are dying in shelters every year, as they pretty much kill the entirety of their own shelter in Norfolk. What they do care about is that hypothetically less and less domesticated dogs will be produced into our society.

@6:07 They are outnumbered??? This is a massive lie. And if the media and organizations like PETA wouldn’t constantly let these dogs down by erroneously impressing upon people’s psyches who don’t know any better that these dogs are all land-sharks and killers, well, then that number could exponentially expand even further.

@6:25 Mandatory home-checks? Given by whom? Government, animal control? They are both already horrendously terrible at their current jobs. Don’t rescue groups and responsible persons already take it upon themselves to often do this? Of course. And people are allowed to go to the shelter and not have to worry about being harassed by someone who wants to be a control-freak. This is such a ridiculous statement. And then she starts grandstanding about “all animal’s safety,” yet the home checks are only for the Pit Bulls! Lol. Well, if you care about the other dogs wouldn’t you require these home checks for them as well? See, this is all straw man stuff. It’s not about the welfare of the animals going into new homes. It’s about control and simply throwing another massively confusing, unenforceable hurdle in the way of every Pit Bull adoption.

@8:14 Low-cost spay/neuter clinics all over the city? No there’s not!

@8:55 The “oh shit” face.

@10:14 PETA supports all forms of breed-specific legislation, and often times those exact scenarios happen under the unjust laws that PETA helped usher in.

@11:08 See the document.

@11:33 See the document.

@13:44 No example.

@14:50 Uh oh!

@16:22 Candid shots are pretty interesting.

Finally, a few people that I talked to afterwards made comments to me about my tone and how it could have come off as intimidating or forceful. These were observations from respected friends, and I hear them and understand… But I’m not here to play games with these people. That woman represents an organization that wields a huge public relations stick and they want to literally kill my dogs. They want to kill every Pit Bull in every shelter. I meet these dogs, I love these dogs. They view my dogs as not dogs, but as somehow different from all other dogs. They make life more difficult for my dogs and for me, and for you and your dogs. They want to kill my future dogs, and my ability to have Pit Bulls 5, 10, 25 years from now. They do not have my respect. I have no desire to beat around the bush with them. I love what they do for other animals–a lot of the factory farm stuff, saving the laboratory monkeys and all the rest of it–but their head honchos are authoritarian psychos at the core and their Pit Bull and shelter reform stances undoubtedly prove it.

*Update*

Within an hour of posting this article and video I had this little exchange with someone running to defend PETA on Facebook. There are numerous reasons why I’m posting this, so first check it out and then I’ll explain…

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Okay, so first just notice the irrationality of the initial comment. But as you go deeper you quickly see that this person’s reactionary tendencies mirror someone from the DogsBite.org-inspired crew. She quickly throws out the blanketed “dangerous breed” crap and then accuses me of not caring about dead children, insinuates that my dogs have actually hurt children and then blames me for “verbally attacking” victims and their family members. What? Worse still, if you go to her Facebook page SHE IS POSING AS A PRO-PIT BULL PERSON WHO IS IN ALL OF THESE RESCUE AND PIT BULL GROUPS ONLINE. These infiltrators are going hard. Pay attention to their moves. Lastly, isn’t it funny that these are the folks that are defending PETA? The anti-Pit Bull, anti-shelter reform, pro-killing, pro-exploitation and demonization of entire groups “crowd.” Speaks volumes. You can watch the full 90-minute video of the discussion here.

11 Responses so far.

  1. Barroness says:

    To paraphrase a movie, Defecation flows trippingly from her tongue!

  2. suju bala says:

    Josh and Dianne, could you attend the 3 days ACES International Conference 2013 on Sept 26-28, 2013 at San Diego. The Topic is ” The Future of Animal Welfare – Teaching the business of saving lives”..
    Mike Arms of Woodward Animal Center would be there and Joe camp of Benji fame.. and wonderful animal welfare experts and sessions which include marketing of shelter-pets, adoptions, fund-raising, medi/web exposure for shelter-pets etc.,.. maybe you could talk to Mike Arms and he can help suggest remedies or do something regarding the situation at Carson Shelter.. Please check this website for info
    http://www.animalcenter.org/ACESConference/

    Am very sorry to see the suffering and traumatic experiences you people undergo to help pit-bull dogs in Carson Shelter.. am extremely sorry for the poor dogs who seem to have to die for no reason.. am sad and share your sorrow and pain.. Hope this Conference will open some doors to help you both and the shelter-pets of Carson Shelter..

  3. Shannon says:

    The thing that struck me the most about this video is when this lady claimed that cities with bsl have ‘grandfathered in’ Pittie types that were already living in the city in good homes. BULLSHIT!!! I know that there were pics circulating from Denver, when they enacted bsl of piles and piles of dead dogs. Seniors, puppies and everything in between. People with Pits had to move, find new homes for their pets or hand them over to die. I think Peta has done a good job shining a light on abused animals, but somewhere they have taken a bewildering turn. It does seem like they would prefer there be no domesticated animals period.
    I also noticed her eyes roll when someone in the audience praised Best Friends and Bad Rap. Interesting because I am reading the book “The Lost Dogs” and he talks about how HSUS wanted all the Vick dogs destroyed, but Best Friends and Bad Rap put up a good fight. The fact that this lady can’t even acknowledge their achievement with these dogs in pretty incredible. I will have to watch the whole thing later, but thank you for sharing and standing up to her.

    • Annie Cargirl says:

      And because of Bad Rap and Best Friends negotiating with the HSUS to rehabilitate the Vick dogs, the HSUS CHANGED it’s pit bull policy and now encourages dogs confiscated from fighting rings to be rehabilitated whenever possible and they have pushed hard to get dog fighting laws passed at the federal as well as state levels, along with pushing for tougher penalties for those involved in dog fighting, even spectators. The HSUS adjusted their stance once they learned the truth, that even former fighting dogs can become loving, well-adjusted family dogs. PETA refuses to even entertain the idea that pit bulls are anything but killers.

  4. Tammy says:

    I have to comment on what she said about being foolish to look at a pitbull and not recognize the capabilities of that animal to attack a human being or a dog. Pitbulls are not born vicious, it has to do with the way you bring them up and how you treat them. Any dog can be mean if you are mean to them.

    I have two pitbulls and they are the biggest babies. One of them was rescued from a couple who was abusing him and now he is the most lovable dog ever!

    If she researched about Pitbulls, she would find out that they are really family dogs.

    I have to wonder why she is just focusing on pitbulls, when they are supposed to be against killing ANY ANIMAL. Does not make sense.

    • Annie Cargirl says:

      They’re only against killing any animal if someone else does it. They’re perfectly happy to kill animals themselves.

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  8. margel says:

    Supporting BSL is UNETHICAL!

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